Naturalists Jennifer Ackerman (The Bird Way) and Carl Safina (Becoming Wild) discuss their new books, in which they have turned to the wilderness to find societies as complex, harsh, and beautiful as the ones we call our own.

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• Moderator: Juli Berwald

Jennifer Ackerman, Carl Safina, The Bird Way: A New Look at How Birds Talk, Work, Play, Parent, and Think, Becoming Wild: How Animal Cultures Raise Families, Create Beauty, and Achieve Peace